Lilli ProviThor:
Dr. Brauer is blatantly lying on behalf of Big Pharma!
One might ask why he is spreading such extreme disinformation and who is paying him for it.
The lawyer obviously does not know what the BtMG says, mixes in completely absurd coffee shops, which are not allowed to trade illegally because they work illegally, and presents himself as an authority against people's health. There are several articles that refute him, you can read the law yourself and if you understand the "biological disinformation", namely that magic truffles are NOT truffles/mushrooms, but SPORES and spores have no longer been listed in the BtmG since 2009, then you can easily see how brazenly Dr. Brauer is lying. This used to be called "shyster lawyers" and it used to be known that lawyers would spread the most abstruse lies for money.
One more thing: he completely ignores §6.5 StGB. If magic truffles were illegal in Germany, the NL law would play no role and all NL magic truffle traders and producers would have to be sentenced in Germany under §6.5 StGB. Including the NL government, which first made the trade possible throughout the EU by legalizing it as a luxury food in 2019.
Germany would have to follow EU rules - if §6.5 StGB did not exist - and inform the NL companies that they are not allowed to deliver the legal food (stimulant) to DE, it would have to provide a scientific justification for the dangerousness (which does not exist) and proceedings could be started against De before the EU court, as once against France because of RedBull.
It is not acceptable that consumer protection does not apply to Zauebrtrüffel - something like that is in an EU regulation. But the fact is that NL smartshops themselves spread the myth of "illegality everywhere except in NL" in order to maintain their monopoly. That's why they like to send products with illegal words on the package, which are actually "illegal advertising" in NL, such as "natural psilocybin". Such shipments are confiscated during random checks, the frightened customers pay counterfeit fines and are still happy not to have spent 5 years in jail because they bought legal stimulants for 20 euros and trumpet their case on Reddit.
None of our thousands of shipments to German customers has caused any legal problems for any customer. We pay many thousands of euros a month in VAT to Germany via the Kleve tax office - and Germany accepts the money from a company whose business purpose is to sell magic truffles! But it is illegal for Germany to collect VAT on a "forbidden product". They have been doing it for years, but can't find ProviThor?
The Dutch police and the Dutch customs visited our company last time last December, checked all products and all employees and found no violations and they know exactly that we also sell to Germany... not a word about the fact that we are not allowed to....
Dr. Breuer is a liar for big pharma, like any normal shyster lawyer he spreads lies for big pharma and helps to keep people SICK and not let the profit of big pharma decrease just because people would become "naturally healthy". Every lawyer with a touch of humanity should fight for EVERYONE in Germany to KNOW that it is a human right to freely choose one's therapy and of course to use ANY natural organism for healing and that it would be bodily harm if the state forced its citizens to remain ill because it withheld a natural remedy from them under threat of punishment.
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 11:41 AM]
And finally, we have a lawyer in Germany who is waiting for there to be a case in which a confused public prosecutor will want to pee on the leg of a customer who has ordered his healing truffles from us, so that the lawyer will then pay us to fight the case through the institutions so that this absurd nonsense will come to an end. It just doesn't happen, all our shipments always arrive.
stefan, [3/27/25 11:44 AM]
Exciting. Can you perhaps post here what she says about this and which paragraphs she refers to? That would be really interesting and helpful. Last but not least, reassuring
A word about Switzerland. Sclerotia are NOT on the Swissmedic list and are therefore completely legal in Switzerland. But Swiss customs officers are creative and refer to giant spores as mushrooms, making them BtM, as magic mushrooms are illegal in Switzerland and the Netherlands. They could also claim that sugar is cocaine and then demand a fine for the attempted import.
People must fight against officials coming up with absurd nonsense to criminalize citizens and rip them off with fines - otherwise the police will come with 100% security in all areas of life!
stefan, [3/27/25 11:48 AM]
Section 6(5) StGB concerns the applicability of German criminal law to offenses committed abroad. Is that relevant here? It is about possession and acquisition within Germany... 😵💫
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 11:52 AM]
Exactly: German BtmG is applicable in all other countries. So wouldn't it be logical to expect that Germany would use §6.5 to crush NL magic truffle producers and dealers in order to protect its citizens?
And the purchase from ProviThor is formally a purchase within Germany, because German VAT is due. Since when have the major dealers been taxed and the consumers severely punished in "drug deals"? That is absurd!
stefan, [3/27/25 11:52 AM]
I found this here: An amendment to the law in 2009 expanded the term "substances" in § 2 para. 1 no. 1 BtMG to explicitly include mushrooms in addition to plants. This amendment clarified that mushrooms containing psilocybin and their components fall under the BtMG.
stefan, [3/27/25 11:54 AM]
I think you are right that Germany will not attack companies in countries like the NL here, as the truffles are allowed there. But I live in Germany and not in the NL, so the paragraph doesn't apply to me.
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 11:58 AM]
The lawyer is ready if there is a case, but like all fair and legally compliant lawyers, she is afraid that if she publicly expresses a non-compliant opinion that goes against the profit interests of big pharma, she will get into trouble. It is not the state that is the opponent, but BIG PHRAMA, which has been making people sick and killing them for 100 years with lies for profit. Do you remember COVID? Lying for profit and making people sick is their business and the only reason they don't take us away is because they themselves want to bring psilocybin pills onto the market in 1-2 years and we can pave the way for their next trillion-dollar business. But still no law professor trusts himself to make correct public legal opinions because he knows that being right does not mean "staying alive" or "not being destroyed existentially/medially". As soon as big pharma will be ready (currently they are still testing in Jamaica, the only country in the world where pislocybin is legal as a pure substance!) As soon as the tests are completed, psilocybin will be moved to Schedule 3 - worldwide - and big pharma will cash in on the depressives with patented therapies via the health insurance companies.
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 12:02 PM]
But Germany SHOULD do it, if magic truffles were illegal BtM in DE - why does §6.5 not apply to magic truffles? Does it say? "With the exception of illegal magic truffles"? No, it doesn't say that. §6.5 is not applied because magic truffles are LEGAL in Germany and have been since 2009(!).
Don't ask for authority - READ THE LAW YOURSELF, understand the words and don't be an authoritarian subject, but a responsible citizen! YOUR health must be worth it to YOU, otherwise you are a serf of big pharma and are only in the world so that they can make money from you as they please...
L, [3/27/25 12:04 PM]
I like your fight and I wish I still had that much idealism.
stefan, [3/27/25 12:05 PM]
In any case, hence the link to the Federal Constitutional Court.
PS: I think truffles are hardened mycelia of fungi and not spores. 🤓
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 12:06 PM]
Haha, it's the other way around, the text is not wrong, but MANIPULATIVE!
Until 2009 it said "organisms", which included sclerotia as well as mushrooms. But in 2008, sclerotia finally became legal in NL and so DE changed the law in such a way that magic mushrooms (which were listed individually by name in NL) are EXPRESSLY there - and sclerotia were effectively taken out, because sclerotia are no longer listed in the BtmG since then. EVERYTHING is there, animals, humans, lichens, plants and fungi, all organisms were listed instead of the term "organism" - except for spores and sclerotia are vital giant spores.
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 12:10 PM]
Incidentally, magic mushrooms are also ONLY illegal in Germany if they are to be misused for intoxication purposes. At the time, it was said that there was no other purpose than intoxication. But since 2015 there have been a lot of new scientific studies showing that magic mushrooms have healing effects. Microdosing is 100% not an intoxicating purpose. So magic mushrooms are definitely legal for microdosing. A therapeutic high dosage can now be proven as a therapeutic purpose thanks to the (mainly US but also CH) studies, so that a blanket assumption that magic mushrooms are prohibited because there is no other purpose than intoxication is no longer tenable since 2015.
stefan, [3/27/25 12:11 PM]
I can understand your frustration with the pharmaceutical companies and others who want to damage your business, even though you can help people with it.
Nevertheless, I live in DE and not NL and here the possession and purchase of plants, mushrooms, components and substances that can be misused is apparently prohibited. It is not the store, seller or broker who is punished, but me. The paragraph §6 Abs 5 StGB doesn't help me either, as I live in Germany. In the Netherlands, sale and possession is permitted.
I also understand that your lawyer doesn't want to make a binding public statement. Don't you think that she could at least write you a few lines that could help us in the community to reduce our fears? You don't have to share her name and share it as an "opinion".
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 12:23 PM]
Be careful, not "can be abused" but SHOULD be abused. Cats "can" also be abused, but they are not forbidden, because who wants to abuse cats?
Sclerotia are not mushrooms or components of mushrooms and have not been banned in Germany since 2009. We do not sell magic mushrooms.
And once again, the risk of an airplane falling on your head or being struck by lightning is higher than having a serious legal problem because of an order from ProviThor. The vast majority of ProviThor's customers are elderly people who are restoring their health with magic truffles and who would never think that this could be forbidden to them and that the state could make them suffer by law. The % of potential customers who are afraid can either collect magic mushrooms in German meadows every fall, buy spores and grow them themselves, or they can continue to suffer and not buy. There are only a few... I don't write these things because of the money, but because I don't want to leave the field to the liars...
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Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 12:28 PM]
Everything is written here, the law is public, everyone can see for themselves that SPORES are not listed and look up that sclerotia are "vital giant SPORES". Fear should be reduced by one's own knowledge and not by faith in authorities.
Likewise, everyone can understand that microdosing is not an intoxicating purpose and therefore EVERY organism in Germany for microdosing does NOT fall under the BtMG. In 2009, microdosing was largely unknown, today there can be no scientific doubt about its effectiveness and the judiciary must take note of the science and observe the law in its WORD.
stefan, [3/27/25 12:31 PM]
Hmm. funny comparison with the cats...
I rather read the opposite. Psilocybin and psilocin generally fall under the BtMG if they can or should be abused (I don't think the difference will make much difference in court).
I read a lot of etic points of view from you and things that sound "fair". But this will hardly interest the legislator if the goods are discovered. Which is not often as few parcels are checked. But the risk is not zero and the consequences are at least a report and a fine.
I had hoped that you would have solid facts to prove me wrong, but I remain skeptical. Ordering in NL (from you or others) can go well... or not, but then unfortunately it gets expensive.
Maybe we'll be lucky and we'll see a change in the law like the THC. 🤞🤞🍀🍀
AC, [3/27/25 12:47 PM]
If you have the time and inclination, order spores and grow your own magic mushrooms. As the spore ampoules/spore syringes do not contain BTM, everything is legal - and growing them is interesting and fun 😁👍.
stefan, [3/27/25 12:50 PM]
I've actually already thought about it. 🤓
What about the dosage? I'm mainly interested in microdosing and the quantities are very small and if I have fluctuations, do I get double the dose or 😅?
Have you had any experience of this?
Lilli ProviThor, [3/27/25 12:54 PM]
Why? DMT is also covered by the law and is in cats. In dogs too. In all mammals.
Solid as a rock? What is more solid than the law? If you read into it what scares you, that's the way it is. I've already written that if something were to happen, we'd pay the lawyer to put an end to this fear porn. It wouldn't be expensive. The risk of being run over is higher, is that why you stay in the apartment? How strong is your fear and desire for healing?
But I don't want to convince you, I'll leave that to the liars at big pharma, I just wrote the truth about the situation. Next time I will refer you to pilzezauber.de...